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Chris King, Dr. Funnies, Renata
Chris King
You're listening to PsychedUp, a show where we interview awesome guests in the mental health field in order to demystify therapy. We want you to understand the inner workings of therapy and view therapists in a fresh and humane light.
Renata
Hi there. I'm Renata
Chris King
and I'm Chris. Welcome.
Renata
On this podcast, we interview awesome guests in a mental health field in order to demystify therapy. We want you to understand the inner workings of therapy interviewed therapists in a fresh and humane light.
Chris King
We also aim for it to be a great resource for other mental health workers that are interested in how their peers work, and deal with their own mental health. We hope you enjoy.
Renata
I'm Renata, a psychology grad student, I interned at a hospital and an NGO and I'm the meme maker for your therapy memes on Instagram. Since I can remember I have always been pretty observant and fascinated with what goes on in other people's heads. So when I was choosing a career path, I wanted to unite this with my wish to help others, hence psychology. For me, starting this podcast has a lot to do with the same motivation that made me choose my own profession.
Chris King
Hi, I'm Chris, a therapy advocate and one of the owners of @yourtherapymemes account. I've been into psychology since I was a teenager. So I've always worked on different projects concerning mental health, from developing an app that connects people to therapists to creating websites that share resources about psychology and finding meaning. This podcast is one of those projects and aim to destigmatize therapy and help everyone feel relatable to one another, both therapists and clients alike.
Renata
As our first guest, we welcome Dr. Funnies. Dr. Funnies is the brain behind the instagram meme page @mentalhealthfunnies. She is a therapist with a doctorate in clinical psychology and has over 17 years of experience within the field. She started her page in May 2020 as a way to connect in a relatable and humorous way with other people in the mental health field. She helps bring laughter, validation and normalcy to anyone who views her content. She believes laughter can sometimes be the best medicine. She also wishes to remain anonymous, so we respect that and address her as Dr. Funnies.
Chris King
I listened to a few of your podcasts from the the millennial health podcast, if I recall correctly. Yeah, it's nice to see it's nice to put the personality to the voice.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, whatever. I know, I'm a little sneaky, sneaky online.
Chris King
First of all, how long have you been doing this for like the mental health funnies?
Dr. Funnies
Mental, I started in May 2020. So like, pretty much, um, a couple of months after the pandemic started. And it started off really inspirational, like I was doing a bunch of quotes, in more serious type of things. And I came across people doing memes there a couple pages that I started to follow, you know, your page included, that like, Okay, well, let me let me start. And that just start, I think I'm planning so I just started making memes. And it just, it really kind of took off from there, you know. And so it came to be a place of like a community where when we're in, in the job, we're able to talk to other therapists about what's going on, you see each other in the break room or in the hallway, oh, I have this client happened to me, or you even just talk about, you know, your life and things that you've been through. And if you're having imposter syndrome, or anything like that, but because we're virtual, we don't get to have those types of conversations with our colleagues. So I feel like means is a way to have kind of like that cooler, talk to me, you're standing at the cooler and you're talking about stuff. I feel like the therapy memes there's a way to do that. And I get a lot of feedback and responses about, you know, just feeling validated feeling like, you know, this is something that I'm going through and then I thought about or yes, I'm like, Okay, well, I guess I'll keep going cuz I'm having fun. If you enjoy it, yeah,
Renata
that's so nice to hear like part of it. We also get this feedback from like, both therapists and clients like taking us for making them laugh, even like in this really dark time. So I was curious to get your opinion on, like, how do you think these memes impact therapists and clients and like how they view therapy, do you think it affects at all like, does it impact this?
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, everybody's different, right? So everybody can respond differently to different stimuli. See the same thing when you go look at a painting, you know, everybody has a different emotion that they feel about it. So I feel like that's kind of the same thing. I mean, means art, art and painting of themselves, you know, so some people interpret them the way in which they want to, and some understand the humor, they get the validation and then some may not understand it, or they may actually really be offended by what you've seen, and you have to maybe take some inventory about like, oh, okay, that's not the intent that I had. So maybe I need to revisit how I, you know, address the meme. There's a there's the process, at least for me when I make the meme like I'm trying to not offend the clients and I'm not trying to give away too many therapists secrets. But you know, cuz it is kind of like a behind the veil. And I think for clients it gets kind of like what you're trying to do with the podcast here is normalizes mental health as well as gives you an insight from a therapist's perspective that we're human to, you know, you've come to us, and I don't want you to think at least for me, I'm not like sitting up on this cloud and looking down and trying to tell you how to deal with your life. You're the ones sitting on the cloud, I'm looking, trying to figure out like, Okay, well, what's going on, let's bring you on the same level as everybody else and understand how you can interact in a way in which you want to. So, you know, for me, it's really about trying to make sure I'm writing that line, as best as I can. It works out most times, but I can't say, you know, I haven't gotten a couple of comments, and people been very upset with me. I get in sometimes we're able to talk. I'm very interactive online. So I try to interact with most of the followers or anybody that has questions or anything. So sometimes I'm able to interact in a positive way and getting more clarity or understanding, you know, the meme or with a misunderstood or whatever the case could be.
Chris King
So yeah, I definitely feel you there like for, we had when we just started out, I think it was, if some I think it's like November of 2020. Wow, goodness, yeah. Crazy. We got this massive message, because I don't I don't, I can't remember what we what we posted or whatever. But I was like, wow, like, it's just like, a different perspective that I never considered before when it comes to like a certain meme that we posted. And yeah, after that, I was like, Okay, we made a few rules, where it's like, you know, nothing that prevents the client from feeling nervous for sharing, or nothing that prevents a client, or nothing that puts a therapist in like too battery life not not revealing too much of the secrets kind of thing. So yeah,
Dr. Funnies
I got one from someone, I think it was, it was like an iceberg meme. And it was talking about like, you know, sometimes you're in session, and we're human, so your mind may drift, and you got to bring it back to the present in the course it depends on how aware you are of yourself, the fact that you're doing that what you're doing in the session, how to refocus yourself, what's going on for the week, it's so much that happens in the therapist screen. So that was the main one was about. So on the top, you know, I'm validating and I'm saying yes. And under surface, you have all this going on. So person was just like, oh, well, you know, if I was going to get surgery, and my surgeon was thinking about all these things, I wouldn't want to go to it. I'm like, who's to say that surgeon isn't? No, so I don't understand what you're saying. It doesn't mean I can't do my job. If anything, the fact that I'm aware that I'm doing this, I would hope let me know I can do my job better. Like, okay, this is how you got to recenter and refocus. Because it's it's a human trait. It's something that happens, you know, totally,
Renata
I think it kind of relates to the fact that people sometimes think that therapists are like, superhuman that they learn something during training, like, above all of this human issues, but it's like just the opposite, you get a lot more problems.
Dr. Funnies
You're so right, they really do be, but to some we can be, you know what I mean? But we're still you have that human aspect of it. So those human experiences and human emotion, but a lot of therapists are in their own therapy, you know, so. And I think that is one thing that I've definitely seen through these mental health pages and meme pages, is that really being normalized, because I've been in the field for quite some time. And of course, when you go into grad school, they tell you, that you should go to therapy, but I'm trying to help people, what do I need therapy for? You see the benefit in it and why, you know, you should also go.
Renata
Yeah, and what is your own relationship with therapy right now? Like, do you go to a therapist? What, did you get convinced that you sometimes needed to go therapy as well?
Dr. Funnies
Yes, yes. I have been annexing therapists currently. I was seeing one before not for that long. I haven't had a long term relationship. I think I'm really looking for that bit. This may sound arrogant, it's not but I really need someone that's like me in therapy. Like if I would have someone that is empathetic and is how genuinely I feel about our intake, I ended my sessions. That's, that's what I want. And I just, I haven't been able to find that fit. The woman I had previously, you know, I met with her for a number of times. I mean, it was okay. But it just didn't work out for me. And so I do plan on, you know, trying to seek another therapist, I think the great thing for me is I am able to talk about a lot of how I feel with my husband. He's not a psychologist, he should be. Because he understands, you know, and so being able to have that freedom also helps me because we have been through a lot of things, you know, and so being able to understand those emotions, even when I don't know what's going on, and just being able to say, I don't know what I'm feeling but I feel heavy. I feel this. He's like, well, tell me more. I'm like where'd you get those tricks from? Are you sure? Are you trying to therapize me? I think you are. Yeah, but I definitely would like to seek a therapist, when I have no time to get myself care, right.
Renata
I was just gonna say that it is also great that your husband understands it, just like gives you that space. And sometimes you just need someone to hold that space for you like, it's all you need.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, he's very into it no matter. Like, okay, let me tell you everything you can do to fix it. Just sometimes just okay, validating and just hearing where I'm coming from? And like, say you do, you need that. So that definitely helps a lot, especially having so many clients that you see on a regular basis, you know, dealing with that dealing with your own life. It's good to have your own space to let some of those emotions out.
Chris King
Definitely. I feel you're there. I feel like I'm kind of like your husband in the sense because like, my girlfriend, she's like, I I'm like the the therapist in the sense because I'm going to therapy, and then I learned these things. And then I'm like, hey, well guess what my therapist just taught me. Like, oh, that's so fascinating. And then like, a week later, she implements it. I'm like, Oh, wow, okay.
Dr. Funnies
That's the part, it's the implementation, and it's the part for sure. But it's good to have that. Because you know, that's like one of the closest people to you, you're around all the time. You can't be vulnerable and open the rawness of your field. You can't be like that with anybody else. So yeah, I take it.
Renata
Yeah. And what about your own journey as a therapist? Like, how did you start? When did you decide, okay, I'm gonna be a therapist.
Dr. Funnies
Well, you know, it's interesting, because I decided a long time ago, when I was young, I saw this movie called Sybil. I don't know if you guys know that movie. Yes, yes. You know, Sally Field, she portrayed a woman with multiple personality disorders. And I may be late to understanding this. But I just found out the woman that she portrayed like she was faking it the whole time. She realized, yes, I just read an article on it. And it was she did it. And this is also goes into, like, the therapist and client relationship, because she basically did it to appease the therapist, you know, and they're writing a book and had researched the whole thing. Yeah, that's right. That's what originally got me interested. And I had a family member as well who suffered from schizophrenia. And when she would have episodes, like, I was really young at the time, I didn't understand what it was, but I just knew something's different, you know, as far as mental health was concerned. And so as I got older, in high school, I had an AP Psychology teacher who was really awesome. really got me interested him and my guidance counselor, they both had doctorates in psychology, PhDs, so that really got me interested. A lot of my friends would come to me all the time for advice. Ask me what they should do. My sister to still like, she'll call me and she'll be like, no, let me know if I'm crazy, initial run down. So I've always had this kind of feeling for wanting to help others. And so what I think keeps me a therapist is just that. I've worked in the field in many different aspects. I've worked with children or families. I've worked in hospitals. I worked like in a residential home. I've worked with addiction. I've done a lot of things. And each one of those scenarios being able to work with patients and see change. When you see the change in the individual, that's, that's a reward for me. So I think that's what's really keeping me in the field as long as it'll have me.
Chris King
Well, that is quite a journey, actually. Wow. Yeah.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, I think, say 17 plus years, you know, it's when I look back on it. Yeah, I did all those things, you know, you know, sometimes, I remember I was moving my books around cleaning off my books. I hadn't looked at those grad school books in I don't know how long, but to look at them. And I'm like, Oh, I do know that. I know, stuff. I remember. I learned a lot of things. You know, it's, it always excited me, you know, you see how I light up talking about it. It's always given me a passion. I have never veered - for eight years, I did social work. But other than that, I have not veered from psych. Even then I was in school during that whole time. So it's always been something I've wanted to do.
Chris King
Renata, did you say, how like, what was your entry way into?
Renata
I don't think I did. But like, since I can remember, I was always pretty observant. And I also get something similar with Dr. Funnies, that is like my, my grandma had bipolar disease, like type one, bipolar, and she wasn't diagnosed. So I don't know, I remember being little and just hearing like the whispers in the family and being like, hey, you'll see what she did like, and now I see that she was like manic, or she was like in a depressive episode, you know. And I don't know, I didn't think about that at the time that I was choosing my profession. But I think that in retrospect, when I look back, like at my history, and where I was, at the time, it makes a lot of sense, like, a lot of my family have different different things that they were dealing with and that they are dealing with, but mental health is a really sensitive topic here. So I don't know, in retrospect, I really think that that this led me here, but like, consciously, I was just thinking that I wanted to help people and that I was observing and that I like to talk to people and hear their stories. So this was like my main motive, like, consciously this was it. But now when I really analyze it, I see that there were a lot of different factors that actually led me here into this moment.
Chris King
Ah, I love how you depicted it.
Renata
Thank you, but like as a I'm not a therapist yet, like I'm in training. So that's why I'm really interested in talking with Dr. Funnies like to hear her and things she already went through and that I'm gonna probably go through.
Dr. Funnies
Y'ou are a therapist, just technically see the technicalities. It's kind of like a mind game, right. So you're like, No, I'm not a therapist, but I'm doing therapy. But I'm not a therapist.
Renata
I got confused at times, but therapists I'm almost a therapist and doing. But I also want to know from from you like, what were your most meaningful experiences during this journey? Like, of course, being mindful about confidentiality, but like, what you think is that kept you going or like a situation that that comes to mind?
Dr. Funnies
I would say most recently. So the job that I'm at now, I've been there for almost two years, I think coming in early 2020, is 2022. So, two years. I started right before the pandemic. I started it in November 2019. So while I was in the office, I had an office I never really had an office before with my name on the door, and everything. I was gonna buy furniture. Yeah, it was really fancy. And then pandemic came and they said, you can't be in the office. And I'm like, okay, all right. Oh, no, you know, right. So I didn't know how this was going to go. That's another reason why I started the page because it was like, the pandemic started. I'm dealing with that I'm helping all of my clients deal with the same trauma that we're all like, we're not in the office. I'm doing therapy virtually, which is nothing we trained to do. It's just we kind of jumped in, you know, and so somehow I found my rhythm somehow because I would say around August, July, August, and I think a lot of therapists went through the same thing, this influx of clients that I had never seen before, which made sense because there was a lot going on. And so I found my rhythm of working with clients. And I always, like I said, I've always wanted to help people. And the thing that I get mean, meaning out of is seeing change. And so I have a client that has seen now, the whole time. Yeah, the whole time I've been there, which is another great thing. You work with a client for so long, because you can really see the progression in emotion. Yeah. And I remember, she was going through a breakup, she was really distraught over this gentleman, we talked so many months, about really like a year about healing and dealing with a breakup and understanding the worthiness of love and what she deserved. And we met earlier this week, and she said to me, she was like, You know what? I do deserve love. Like she was professing. I do deserve love. I am okay, I am working on myself.
Renata
That's every therapist's dream.
Dr. Funnies
I was like, you sound like me talking to you right now. That's what I like to hear. And so I think what I'm getting to understand is, as a, as a therapist, there are a lot of theories out there, right? You can pick and choose which one you want to go with. You can have one standard, you can pull through others, which is what I do, even though my ground base is, client centered very Rogerian. Very much like about the relationship, you know? Yeah, I'm very much about the relationship. And so for me, that's what works. And I understand that when clients come to me, and it clicks, and we vibe together, that's supposed to work. And I just put up a tweet the other day about, like how therapists are like clothing, but we don't come as one size fits all, which is very true. You have to find the right fit.
Chris King
Yeah.
Renata
That's perfect, yeah.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, you have to find so that means for both therapists and clients, so for clients, and you're seeking a therapist, it should be someone you feel comfortable with some way that you can be honest, be authentic, be yourself, ask questions. You know, even if you have that fear of asking those questions, you still feel comfortable to do that. And for therapists, being authentic, and being who you really feel like you are in the sessions helps promote that change, you have to really figure out what you think helps clients. And then once you figure that out, you know, do that. And there's all like I said, there's all sorts of theories out there, everybody can say their theory's the best. We can't be all little games and winners. No. But what it is, it's all about the client. And that's at the end of the day, that's really what it's about. And so when someone comes into a session with me, it's very free. It's almost like how we're doing this here. You know, they come tell me their thing. Ask them questions that helps with guiding perspective. You know, so when I can see someone's perspective change from when they first walked in. Okay, so I must be doing something, something.
Renata
Like, I don't know, I think that as a therapist, you have to get accustomed to get it like really bite sized rewards. You have to be mindful about these changes, because they're not gonna like overnight be like, Okay, I have to love myself, Dr. Funnies, I realize that, like it's a really gradual process, but when you really see the subtle signs, it's so rewarding, like, yeah, it gets me going, like some of my most meaningful experience were in relation to that.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, I had a good friend when I was in social work, she gave me a good bit of advice, because I had never been in social work before. And I needed to do it while I was in school when it paid well, so. But when someone's working, it's a lot different. Being a case manager and going into someone's home versus where they come to the office, you know, and you're just sitting there really get a different perspective and a different view. And I remember feeling like I was being overly involved. You know what I mean? Like, I was trying to do too much. Yeah, it was outside of my job scope. And when she my friend, she was like, but that's, you don't have to do that. You know, that's not part of your job. Your job is to do these things do or do XY and Z. And I was like, You know what, I don't have to do this. I know I feel compelled to want to really help this person. But the only way this person can really get help is to help themselves. You know, So I took that with me into this session. So I feel like my main job in the session is to hold space. They don't have this space anywhere else to talk like this to anyone else in the way they're talking to me. You know, so if I go in there with that mindset, I don't feel like I have to fix them, or have to give them all the right answers. Or have to, yeah, don't get me wrong, that stuff still creeps in, because I try to.
Renata
We're not perfect.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, we're not perfect, but we try to be that's why we went to school for so long, because we got that perfectionism in us. Um, but yeah, so I try to remember, the main purpose is, this is for them. You know, sometimes people apologize in a session for crying, or they apologize for talking too, too much. And I'm like, this is your time, this is for you. Whatever you feel like you need to do here, whatever you feel like you need to say, whatever colorful language you feel like you need to use. I'm here for it all. So that's the only way we can really get to the true root of what you want to work on and why you're here.
Chris King
Yeah, beautiful. That's Wow. I like the concept of holding space. It's like, that's all I need to do is just hold space. By the way. Hi, I'm Chris. I don't even introduce myself, sorry. I'm not a therapist. I'm like a therapy advocate. I was interested in psychology since I was a teenager and stuff. Like at first it was like, understanding my bullies and like how to make and stuff. It was like some sort of weird act of control, kind of, like search for control. And then like, fast forward, like, I was struggling through mental health by myself, but I couldn't afford a therapist at the time. And so I was like, Okay, well, I'm just going to educate myself about therapy kind of thing. And I finally found a therapist, like in 2018. And now I've been connecting other people to therapists and stuff. I just see like the differences like the therapy has made. So yeah, I've wanted to be in this industry somehow, even though I'm not a therapist. So here I am.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, I mean, it is very much welcomed. Because we do work hand in hand. Even though it may seem like one side of the couch versus the other. It's not, you know, because if we didn't have clients who were out there and understood the benefit of therapy, were able to spread that message, you know, people wouldn't believe what we do, because it's all behind closed doors and all confidential. So you can't, you can't say, what would you do in therapy, let me see a tape on it. When I'm telling it sometimes it works. Like I had a client the other day, and we know each therapist is different, some are very much, you know, behavioral and he like homework and worksheets, and I really don't do any of that if I find an article or Tik Tok video or something. But I remember he told me that his wife was a little concerned about, we've been meeting now for two years, but in the beginning, she was concerned. I mean, did she give you homework did she? Did she gave this? No. And now she's like, Oh, I love your therapist. You're expressing yourself, you're telling me what your needs are. I love her.
Renata
Thank her, please thank her for me.
Dr. Funnies
Yes. And so that's what I mean. Like being able to see the benefit for yourself of therapy and being able to spread that message. Someone that you know, may have been on the fence or like thinking like, okay, maybe I should go to therapy. And then this person's like, oh, yeah, work for me. And I'm like, Okay, well, how did it work for you? What did you do? How can I how can I do the same thing?
Chris King
Exactly, yeah, yeah. But like when it comes to holding space, actually, I feel like you're like your therapist is very much like mine. She's like, a constructivist kind of thing. But she also wanted to be like, relationship therapists and stuff. And so she never gave me homework to do it was like things to think about. And sometimes like, oh, write me if you have any ideas for this kind of thing, but was never like, I expect five pages of like a list like 10 things of whatever kind of thing. It's just like talking and just like holding that space. Because for the longest time, like, I never had that space and having that space being held. It's amazing because it's like you're able to process your thoughts in a way that you can't with anyone else because they'll have their own thing.
Dr. Funnies
That's my favorite. My favorite part is when I see someone talk themselves into an epiphany. And they're like, oh,
Chris King
Yeah
Renata
Yeah
Dr. Funnies
I'm just sitting there like uhum, uhum, like exactly. Didn't even have to say anything. See, look at that. Just having that space and knowing that someone is listening to you, you're also really listening to yourself and what you're saying, you know, it really does depend on what your goal is like. Some people have never been and they're not sure what to do when they come in this session, you know, and they are nervous or they're apologetic because they don't have anything to talk about. Yeah, I'm the therapist for that type of client. What'd you have for breakfast? You know, did you? Yeah. And then the next thing, you know, by the end of the session, she's crying and we're talking about death, how did we get here? It's all a process. Because if you're in tune to what you're there for, like, my way is always to, it's always a way to relate it to mental health. That's one of the ways how I've been able to do these things like, yeah, I can always spin something into relating to mental health. Food is related to mental health, physical health, mental health. Friends can be related to mental health, it all can be related, you know, so talking about all these areas of life is not, you know, out of bounds for it being in the session,
Renata
I think exactly that, like everything is a gateway into talking about your mental health, because everything comes down to it. And I think a lot of times, like when clients arrive in like your first sessions, they think that they're not even allowed to have this space. Like, what do you mean, I get one hour where I dictate what to say. And I get like, the autonomy like, you know, you don't ask me only like these set questions. And that's nice to see, like the process of them becoming like, more open and really understanding like, Okay, I'm gonna make the most of this time, like, this time is mine, like, they really get appropriated with therapy. And that's beautiful.
Dr. Funnies
It really, is!
Chris King
Actually, that brings me to a topic I wanted to ask because we're, like, super close to it. Like, what would you say to people that are resistant to starting therapy, for example, like the oh, what? What do I have to talk about? Where? Oh, I thought it was only for crazy people? Like, those are like the two things that I hear the most. But yeah,
Dr. Funnies
yeah, I'll be honest, it's kind of hard, you know, because therapy has been so mainstreamed, right? Um, you see all types of therapist on TV. Good. A lot of bad. You know, so, if you've never been and you don't know what to expect, then you know, you may have your stigma about it. And like you said, Some people think it's okay, you only go if you're if you're crazy. I'm crazy. Yeah. But so I think for them, they really would have to be ready. You can't really convince someone to enter treatment for themselves, because they're not, they're not going to use the process in the way it should. They'll feel like it's a waste of time for both parties, you know, so you can only support and offer any other avenues for them to feel like they can manage their mental health, whether that be you know, their faith that they like to go to church or religion or things they need to join social groups in order to feel some sort of energy that helps that mental health. That's the only thing you can do. And then when they come to you and say, Hey, I think I want to see a therapist, you very quickly look for a therapist.
Renata
Don't let them give up.
Dr. Funnies
Yes, because that part of it too, is is a kind of a it is a barrier, getting connected with a therapist. I don't know why it's like that. I mean, here in the states where I am, it can be very difficult. You end up calling around a lot. People are booked, they have waitlist, the scheduling isn't what you are used to, or something that you need, you need the different hours, the insured, they don't take the insurance, so you got to go somewhere else. There are a lot of barriers to finding connecting with the right therapist, but it is so you have to keep at it. Because it does happen. You can get hooked up with someone where you can work on everything that you're trying to work on. And I think that is the reward of kind of hanging in there and seeking a therapist and going through that process. It's almost like dating it really is, all this rejection. They didn't call me back, what's going on?
Renata
It is eerily similar to dating.
Dr. Funnies
You get there, But we didn't. I don't think I'm going to see him. Yeah, so you really, I think a lot of people also don't understand that you can find the type of therapist that you should be looking for the type of therapist with someone you feel comfortable talking to. It doesn't have to be the stereotypical of what you think a therapist should be. You know, thinking about like, what, who would I feel comfortable divulging some of my like, deepest, and darkest things to really go when I feel that I can be vulnerable with what type of person am I looking for that I can do that with? And I think that's, that helps a lot.
Chris King
Amen to that. Yeah, actually speaking, I'm from Los Angeles. And so like, I have a friend, she was looking for a therapist for like, like, half a year, and she would get so what's the word discouraged, because of the amount of times no one would either pickup or booked full. And just like, it just feels like you're being rejected in some sort of way, like the dating scene?
Dr. Funnies
It really does. You know, I've had clients do No, cuz when I said, when we get a really busy season, I've never closed out my list before, waitlist or another. So to have to do that, it's like, heartbreaking for me to just take on everybody, but you, you have to take care of yourself. So if I have a set schedule, I try my hardest. I'm gonna try my hardest not to be outside of that schedule, unless it's like really necessary. You know, someone needs an emergency session. You know, but if someone is like, Oh, well, can we meet on Fridays at 5? Like, I don't do Friday's at 5. Sorry, it's not in my scope of schedule. I have my family, you know, we have our weekend time we do our thing. So I know for myself, I can't, I can't do I've done this before. So it never worked out. I learned the lesson hard. So Oh, even now, you know, I'm trying to just keep it so that I can have that time for myself. And they have recognized that it's okay to do that. See, we gotta learn sometimes.
Chris King
Exactly.
Renata
Eventually. And like, about the people that can afford therapy? Or like their insurance doesn't cover it. Maybe even Chris can chip in on this one. But like, what would you recommend, like someone that that wants this help that want to see therapists, but they're not able to? Because of I don't know, a bunch of motives? Like, what would you recommend them or say to them?
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, I think one thing is, you know, seeing if they have like a community mental health clinic or any clinics that offer services, whether it's pro bono center, we have a lot here, I'm in Maryland. So we have a lot of pro bono therapies services that you can look for online. And then telehealth is definitely helps with the access of mental health. So with telehealth, you can see someone here in the state of Maryland anywhere, it doesn't have to be someone close that you might not vibe with that takes your insurance, and maybe someone you know, miles and miles away that's in the state, but they take your insurance that you vibe with and you can do telehealth, and that works out fine for you. You know, so that's, that's another great thing that's come out of this situation. And they even have it to where you can practice across state lines. I think it's like a passport or something you have to get as a psychologist once you have your license, and you can get licensed in another state while you're living in a different state and work across state lines. Yeah, so that, that is definitely given a lot of access to people that may not have had that access before. And then again, like I said before, like with faith and religion, sometimes those are things that can really help people through those mental health struggles that they're they're dealing with. And there are people out there that can be, have some form of training in regards to dealing with mental health issues, or at least point you to some resources that can help you get those type of help.
Chris King
Great answers. I never thought of like the religion part. But yeah, yes.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, some of my clients are religious. You know, it does work for them.
Chris King
I was wondering, do you specialize in anything particular? Modestly yes.
Dr. Funnies
I mean, I would, I would never, I don't know if I could ever call myself a specialist. But I can tell you, I have a lot of experience with a lot of experience with anxiety, a lot of experience with grief, a lot of experience with trauma, depression, those are like my main, like, as far as clients. So that's pretty much normally what I see. And then, of course, I also put a lot of clients who suffer from personality disorders as well. But yeah, I kind of dabble in having these experiences. And so again, for me, I think it's just really getting the client to teach me about their experience of acceptance. You know, I can know about anxiety, I can know about depression, I can know about trauma, but I don't know how you've experienced it, and how you've dealt with it. I just know how to approach it. So as long as I can do that, then I can work with what you got.
Renata
Yeah, let me tell you, Carl Rogers would be really proud of you right now.
Dr. Funnies
I love Carl so much. I still watch his videos on YouTube. I mean, like, as if, like, a couple months ago, I was still watching his videos. They're so sweet. And he's, yeah, seeing his style, just that spoke to me. And when you look at research about like, what promotes change, a lot of it really comes down to the relationship between the therapist and the client. If you don't like your therapist, and if you don't like your client, that's not going to work. Because that happens too, we might we might try to act like we don't talk about it. That doesn't happen. But it happens as well. You know, where it's like, okay, what is it about me? You have to assess why don't I like this person? You know, so I really do. Pride myself. I'm trying to build that relationship as best as I can.
Chris King
Have you have you read any of the Irvin D Yalom books?
Dr. Funnies
No, I don't know. I know, I have not. You send me send me some links to them. Because I definitely will.
Chris King
Yeah, actually, like one of his books. I can't remember, I have only read one of them. But it's like, particularly like cases where it's like unique cases and cases where he didn't like the client, and turned out him ending up liking the client. But there was just this huge bit these huge barriers and stuff. Fascinating read.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, it's a very interesting process, you know, so yes, definitely send me to read. I'll check them out.
Renata
One question, though, what I was like particularly curious about is I wanted to know, how do you know, how do you get the sense that therapy is working for your client?
Dr. Funnies
They tell me. They, normally it's that. But of course, if you've worked with someone for so long, you can see you can see some changes in them. Normally, clients do comment, and they say, Oh, I tried what you suggested, or I did this thing. And I use this coping skill. And it worked great for me. And so next time around, you know, they do the same thing, and it works for them. And then sometimes they do ask you like, well, I don't feel like I'm making progress. Do you see that I'm making any progress. You know, like, yeah, of course, when you came in, you gotta remember. And that's, that's the other thing about the therapist, brain. It's so crazy, like the stuff that you can remember and that you have to remember. And so if you can remember those, I remember those first sessions and how they went, I remember, you know, the things that they talked about and the goals of what they, what brought them there originally. So I always think about that in comparison to where they are now. And have they worked on those goals? Have they approached anything in having to do with those goals? And if they have not progress for me, whether they achieve the goal or not, is not for me to say that you know what I mean? It's for them to recognize if they feel like they achieved the goal. But for me, it's the process. So as long as you're trying, as long as you're trying to put in the work, then you'll see the results of that. So for me, yeah, it's really observation and then telling me like, oh, it's working. Like, it is?
Renata
Like the clients just don't feel comfortable saying that or like they're kind of insecure about it like, Okay, I think I have made progress but what do you think? Like, do you do you think I have made any progress? But it's just like, instead of like, the person that best, that knows how to answer that is the client, like, they know themselves better than we know themselves. So, so it's great that they have this channel of communication with you.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, um, cuz I'm always like, I literally say this in the first session, like, it's going to be you doing work. I wish I could be like, a little therapist in the pocket and scream up at you that this company, but I can't, I only see you once a week.
Renata
Why not?
Dr. Funnies
Right? Yes, I can't do that. So. But some of this, what I hope is that some of the stuff we talk about here, like rings in your mind, right, and when you're engaging in the behavior, because I always tell them, which would be interesting, because I don't know any of my clients follow me. Um, but if they do, they will know like I say, all the time, awareness is key. So once you're aware of a behavior, then every time you engage in that behavior, oh, I said, I wasn't going to choose this anymore. And for me, that's it. As long as you can have that awareness, then whatever work you put into changing that behavior is for you to do.
Chris King
Knowing is half the battle.
Dr. Funnies
Knowing is- there you go, knowing is halth the battle, exactly. Dang, I should have used that one
Chris King
One of the things I was, Renata and I were talking earlier before you came on. And we were talking about like having these like weird dreams where we're not, we feel like we weren't good enough, like this, like this imposter syndrome kind of thing. I was wondering, have you had that during your time of like, in your 17 years of experience? And how did you deal with that? Do you still have it?
Dr. Funnies
Yes. I mean, like yesterday, maybe the day before, it comes and goes, and it's funny, like, I tend to have, and my husband laughs at me, because obviously, I'm working from home. So he sees like, when I go into sessions, like, sometimes I'm so anxious. And he's like, what's wrong with you? You're doing this all the time. I'm like, I know. I don't know how it's gonna go, you know, you don't know. You never know what to expect. And it's always kind of like, you got to be on your toes. He's like, but once you go in there, you're always fine. Like, I know, but I just got to go through a little bit. I need to freak out a little bit. And so I talked about this with some of my clients, imposter syndrome. And I think it's just unfortunate that we call it that, because I think what it really is, it's just like that little fire that's under your feet for you not to get too comfortable. Think that you have everything sewn up like no, I got this, I know what I'm doing. And then you get in there and it's a bomb. And you're like, I don't know what so say. You know, but if you feel like you're always open and you, I always feel empty going into the session, even if I know what we talked about last week, or I know the history of what we talked about, you could come in and talk about something completely off the wall that happened to you last week that I've never heard now I have to process it with you. So I always try to be empty, and fight that little voice that says you have to be the expert. You have to give him serious, you have to know, No, I don't. I don't need to do I need to hold space. or go back to that I need to hold the space. That's what, that's what I need to do. And if I can do that, man, I'll be styling.
Chris King
That's a really good point. Actually. We caught we call this "shoulding all over yourself"
Dr. Funnies
Ah, yeah, I'm gonna take that just so you.
Chris King
Please do.
Renata
We're gonna see a meme next week about it.
Dr. Funnies
Right? Stop shoulding all over yourself, please. You're absolutely right. You do. You doubt yourself. And it's like, if you weren't where you are supposed to be if you weren't supposed to be there, then you wouldn't be there. All the things that lined up to get you to where you are right now. Those things wouldn't have happened. Like you're supposed to be in this place. And so now you have to deal with your own anxieties of feeling like you're not good enough. Because it's really you. It's like nobody has said anything. Come up to you and say, you're doing you're doing horrible work here. I don't even know why you're here. But we do that to ourselves. And like I said, I think it's I think it's partially because we want to, we really want to be good. We really want to help. I think that is commendable, because that shows that you're in it, you know, for the right reason.
Chris King
I really like that.
Renata
Right? It's such a calming notion. You really calmed me down about my imposter syndrome.
Dr. Funnies
Call me anytime. Cuz I get it, I when I first started out, that's the thing that we do first start out as a therapist, you're not, you're not self aware of yourself in the session, you only learn that by going through the experience, going through supervision, consulting with other therapists that felt the same way. And then you find your footing, but no one can really show you how to do it, you can observe others, but you really figure that out for yourself and figure out like, Okay, what affects me in this session, what triggers me? How do I, because as therapists, and we know, compartmentalization is kind of like a defense mechanism. But we tend to be really good at it, because you got to put your life like on the shelf, and be present in the session. And sometimes that it may not work out for you as a maladaptive behavior in life. But in a session, it works because it allows you that ability to just focus in on your client, you know, so I think it's just a matter of understanding what needs to happen in session. Being okay with things that didn't go well, cuz sometimes clients, they don't, they don't notice that. Notice that you didn't know what you were saying. You say a sentence and in your head, I don't think they got that. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, okay, all right. You know, because, again, the intention is what to really help that person.
Chris King
It's not really pointed questions. I was just wondering, is there anything you want me, you want us to ask you, for your sake? Like?
Dr. Funnies
That's a good question.
Chris King
We'll do a plug. Okay. All right.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah. I think I don't know, if you asked me I know, one of the questions was about my own mental health. I don't know, if we talked about I know, we talked about my, like, experience with therapy. But as far as my own mental health and things dealt with and manage, mainly anxiety. Most of us who go to grad school end up with anxiety in managing that. And then I've had my, I've also had my share of grief, slash trauma as well. And I think that tends to give me a different perspective, when my clients come in are dealing with some of the things that I've dealt with, you know, in my own life, you know, and understanding those emotions and some of those things that they're thinking in that moment, being able to validate for them those feelings is helpful, because I really do I really do know what it feels Yeah, to go through something like that.
Renata
Yeah, and I think the client totally like, they realize this, I think that even if you don't tell them, Okay, I've had this experience, like, I get what you're saying, like, just the way you're behaving in the session, like, I think they get that and that's really valuable.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah. Yeah, I, I tend to put a lot of perspective spins on things that my clients say, you know, so they'll say, to my clients, like, See, now I gotta keep cooking my own food. Because she, she just retired, and I gotta, you know, I can't go here and I can't do this. And I'm like, well, at least you're saving money. You know, now, you get to be more healthy. She's like, you can always put a positive spin on something. And I'm like, Well, I think really, once you've been through a number of things in life that really altered your perspective on life. If you can find that other side, that lesson that has been learned that reason why at all happened, even if it's not in that moment, if it's years later, you're like, oh, that's why I didn't get that job. That's why this person passed away. This, this brought this family together, this brought this person closer to this, this made this person go find their their faith or find who they are, you know, figuring that aspect out has helped me a lot to be able to guide my clients to know like there is another side to that pain. We go through life a lot trying to avoid pain. Nobody wants to go head on it's a pain. Why would we do that? So we do a lot of thing. Sometimes that was very interesting things to avoid pain of any sort emotional, physical, spiritual, you know, but sometimes we're supposed to go through that at all times, we are in order to learn something, either about the situation or about ourselves. And I know a lot of times, that's hard to hear. It's better to hear once you get that, that kind of aspect after the situation you healed from
Chris King
Well said.
Dr. Funnies
Thank you.
Renata
I feel like like after that I'm just gonna lay down for one hour like process everything you're saying. Because it's everything like so valuable, oh my God.
Dr. Funnies
I'm really, I'm really glad you guys asked me to do this. I love talking with anybody who's willing to listen about psychology, bettering yourself. Just the human experience in and of itself, and sharing my own experience, if that's helpful to anyone out there.
Chris King
I was wondering like, when it comes to like the the struggles were that you have, with your mental health? Like, is there any that you want to like, feel comfortable going deeper on because I'm really interested in knowing about either the trauma or the anxiety, I feel like it's really good for the audience, but also for, I feel like it's good for everyone.
Dr. Funnies
I'm also an advocate of owning your story, no one can take away your experience, I have no problem sharing any of the things that I've gone through. And so I would say the most traumatic situation I went through was when I was on internship so this is just a story. Don't get scared. This happened to me, this happened to me. But yeah, I was on an internship. And I was in the Midwest, and I'm from the East Coast, it was very much a culture shock to me didn't feel understood. I was the only black intern there. And I felt discriminated against. I was discriminated against. I actually ended up getting fired from the internship after being there. Eight months. Oh, yes. And at that time, I was also eight months pregnant, when they find
Chris King
Oh, wow.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah. I immediately moved back to Maryland. Right after that, because I wanted to go back to my home school, and try to do another internship so I can finish. And I get back to Maryland, and we lost my child, my very first shot. At 37 weeks she was stillborn.
Chris King
I'm so sorry.
Dr. Funnies
Yes, thank you very much. I mean, it's, it was it was tough. It was really tough. And this was in 2010. So, you know, some years ago, and the thing about it was I had a really good grief counselor come in, in that moment, to speak to us. And she told us some really great thing she she suggested a book to me. For anybody that wants to know, it's called Empty cradle broken heart. You can read the chapters in any order. And it really helped me, validated a lot of the things that I was feeling, you know, because when you talk about pregnancy loss, not a lot of women openly discuss this. I feel like that's a shame because a lot of us have gone through similar situations that we can all relate to. And so and then after that happened in 2010, my mom passed away in 2014. I never really honestly get the year. Right. Because as you can, honestly, know, it was it was crazy time. So 2014 2015 and her her anniversary is actually coming up on May 22. And in dealing with the death of my first child, like we seriously grieved the passing of a child. We used to light a candle every night for her. We blow the candle out every night. We talked about her all the time. Two months after she passed, I became pregnant with my rainbow baby who I have now she is now 10 is about as tall as me. Right now I also have a son who was born on Christmas. I said another traumatic situation because he came two months early. Oh, he was yes, he was only two pounds. He stayed in the hospital for four months.
Renata
That must be so scary.
Dr. Funnies
It was it was nothing I, me and my husband had ever gone through we had never experienced a premature birth or child having to care for him. And he didn't really require a lot of medicines or surgeries. He did have one surgery. And now he's just as rambunctious as ever jumping off everything. Caught on everything. He is special needs. He has like a developmental delay. So he's, he's verbal, but he doesn't really talk to us, he talks kind of in the air, he speaks a lot in educational shows, language, which is great, you know, and now he's been using them in context, being able to go to school. So all of all of those experiences definitely led to my feelings of anxiety. As far as like, trying to predict the outcome of things and having that need for wanting things to happen a certain way. And when they don't, that disappointment, that anxiety that you're not doing something, right, having to realize you are doing something, or doing something, right. And whatever it's going to happen, you know, you can be you'll be okay with whatever the result is gonna be, because you've been through these things. And you came out on the other side. Yes, it was painful. Yes, there were many nights where you cry, and you felt like your heart was just breaking out of your chest. But you still made it through, we still dealt with those emotions and tried to heal from them. You know. And so to this day, of course, it's still painful. But it's easier to talk about because I talk about it a lot. And I'm not afraid to talk about it. I don't feel shame or fear in talking about it, because that's what gives it that kind of control over me. I think, personally, to feel that anxiety of not wanting to share that story. So yeah, those those are my main situations with trauma and grief. I'm pretty sure if I really thought hard, there's more. Those are the ones that really, yeah, it's a.
Chris King
Some pretty big Ts there. Goodness.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, yeah, those are the ones that really stand out for me. And so I like when I hear clients talk about their mom passing away how they felt about that I've had a number of clients just recently suffer from pregnancy loss and being able to talk about that, understand some of those things that they are going through and being able to kind of forewarn them about emotions that may come up, and triggers that could come up for them. You know, it's also helpful.
Chris King
That's actually one thing I wanted to ask you. Because I was talking to a therapist that was actually like specializing in like miscarriages and things in this area. And I was wondering, for people who, if they are listening, who have gone through a miscarriage, like, is there anything you would want to say to them or for them?
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, just know, you are not alone. There are definitely support groups out there. For you, there are a lot of self help books, as well. Any counseling can be helpful to talk about the loss, because sometimes we feel because that child was not born or, you know, living and breathing and had a birth certificate that we shouldn't grieve the loss of this life. But no, if that's what you feel like you need to do in order to heal that. That's something that you should do, because it will help you to breathe in that way. And there definitely can be some fear in trying again, it's only natural, you know, so that's why I say counseling, or some sort of groups to help you manage that fear. And going through that, because I remember when I was pregnant with my second child, I didn't get to enjoy the pregnancy at all. I was so nervous. The whole pregnancy I'm so scared. Um, until the moment she came. And then it was just like this really? Okay. She's here. She's fine. And she's really taught me how to be a mom. Because I didn't know what that life was like. Now, I definitely know. So she helped prepare me for my son. When he came you know, and with him, I was able to have that kind of relief enjoying that pregnancy because of being able to heal from that trauma.
Chris King
So beautiful, I'm trying not to tear up.
Dr. Funnies
You can't tear up, cause you're gonna have me tear up. Like I got my box, I got my own therapist in my office.
Chris King
Ah, that was beautiful.
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, and to have and I can not, without a doubt couldn't get through it without my husband. Because we went through this together. We both talked about this extensively. Anytime we wanted to talk about her, and even to this day, Cardinals hold a special place in our heart. Because remember, when she passed, we started seeing Cardinals outside of our window all the time. So every time we see cardinals are like, Oh, that's that's her, coming to say hello to us. Yeah. And like I said, like, the pain is still there, so there's like a particular song. Um, it's called How Can You Mend a Broken Heart? So if I'm somewhere, and that song plays, yeah, I'm done, I'm a puddle. It could be in a Denny's. It could be anywhere on this day, if I'm not prepared to hear it, and it just comes on. That's kind of the hold that grief can have over you. But at the same time I look at that is beautiful, because she deserves those tears, she was a beautiful soul, you know, so I can drop some tears for her. That's okay. I'm not ashamed of that.
Renata
That's so sweet. That's so powerful.
Chris King
I really appreciate the outlook. Seriously, goodness.
Dr. Funnies
Thank you. I know, every time I tell this story, it gets people. I understand why. You know, it's something that I went through. I may look really strong in talking about it. At the time, I did not feel like I could be. But I do recognize now that strength in even being that vulnerable about it. You know, yeah. What I was going through. So I think that's what helps.
Renata
Yeah, and I'm sure like, you're definitely helping a lot of people that might have gone through similar experiences, because at least here a lot of people invalidate this kind of grief. And they say like, horrible things they don't understand. They never went through it. So they think that it's not like, as strong a grief as other kinds. You know. So really, like, sharing your story is so powerful, it's so meaningful to others.
Dr. Funnies
Thank you. I thank you. I hope so.
Chris King
Alright, so more to cloud level. Are you working on any projects right now?
Dr. Funnies
In my head, yeah. My head, I'm working on something. So you know, I'm hoping this year to be able to do something. Because I feel so inspired by the page, you know, and I feel really inspired by the people that reach out. And they're just like, I love your content. I visit your page every day. It's one of my favorite mental health meme pages. Jus like, Oh really? Okay, I don't what's happening, but I'm glad it's helping you in some way. So I'd like to work on something. There's a number of other pages that have been really supportive as well. So I'm very open to more podcast interviews, I love talking as you can see. And yes, and one of my good friends, they're over at @headhearttherapy on Instagram. I did an interview with her some months back, she said, she's like, Oh my God, you need to write a book. I'm like, No, you're right. I need to do this. You know, so right now, I'm focused on trying to get my license to become an independent psychologist here in my state. I'm very close, I just got to turn in like one more form. So complicated, but just type in a form, pass test, and then I'll be done. So within the next couple of months, and then hopefully during that time, I just come out with something for the people.
Renata
We want it, give us, please.
Chris King
Yeas, let us know we'll definitely post about it.
Dr. Funnies
Oh, thank you.
Chris King
Definitely. Um, and then I think the last thing is like plugs, so where can we find you? What channels are you on websites, etc?
Dr. Funnies
Yes, you can definitely. I'm mainly on Instagram. I'm super active on Instagram. The handle is @mentalhealthfunnies. Just all lowercase. I'm also on Tik Tok, but it's basically the stuff that I post on Instagram on Tik Tok because I'm little older so I don't really know how TikTok works.
Renata
I feel confused as well.
Dr. Funnies
Yes. I mean, I'm about to be like 42 in February. I'm just like, effects? I don't know just so you know I do some videos memes, so I post those on there. And then I'm also on Facebook. Same thing @mentalhealthfunnies. If you go on my Instagram page and click the link in the bio, I put up links to other interviews that I've done so you can check them out. It's mainly where you find me.
Chris King
Fantastic. Thank you. Renata, is there anything else?
Renata
I just wanted to thank you so so much because it's our first podcast interview. It's our first episode. And I feel like we got this amazing like, interviewee like at the first step. I just wish we were like, really famous, so everyone could hear you talk because it really is a blessing.
Dr. Funnies
I agreed, oh, thank you guys, one day, you know, this will be etched in history. They'll go back like She was on that show first. That's right. Everybody, go and listen to them.
Chris King
We'll do a rerun of it. So like, in like the next year, like maybe like during Christmas or something we'll have like, yeah, Dr. Funnies interview that way people can listen to it.
Dr. Funnies
Please. I would love. I would love to come back. You guys are great. To talk to you, so.
Chris King
Oh, we'd love to have you back on.
Dr. Funnies
Thank you. Can I give a couple quick shout outs. I give a shout out to
Renata
Yeah, absolutely.
Dr. Funnies
A couple of a couple of pages that follow me on Instagram. I got to give a shout out to my Instagram BFF @waitimththerapist. Love her to dinner. If you know if you haven't followed her page, she should She's She's hilarious. And she makes a pretty funny mental health memes. And then of course my boys over at Millennial Mental Health Channel. My guys have their their podcast is great. You haven't heard their episodes. They are awesome. Sarah @headhearttherapy, @theshaniproject @futuremindreader, @yourbrainonlife. @confident_with_courtney. My good friend and colleague, she has Instagram as well. Her name is Nicole Arzt. Um, there's a gentleman that I follow. He's been very supportive of the page. His name is Arron. His handle is @theblack_therapist. And then there's another gentleman who I follow, his name is @men_to_heal, so shout out to all you guys.
Renata
That's great. I'm writing down like, I'm gonna hear it later so I can follow everyone.
Chris King
We'll definitely post a post the links. Um, one last thing. Apologies. Um, is there anyone that you would recommend for hopping on this podcast and joining us?
Dr. Funnies
Yeah, there's a couple, mainly the people that I just named, any of those individuals. They would be great to have because they post some really good mental health content. And it covers a lot of different spans from health and fitness to health in the black community to men's mental health. To millennials, mental health. So yeah, go through that. You can choose I think, anyone, that'd be great
Chris King
Great. Thank you. Thank you so much for being on our first podcast.
Dr. Funnies
Sure.
Chris King
And yeah. Thank you guys.
Renata
That's a wrap up? Oh my god.
Chris King
Thank you so much listener for coming along with us on this podcast. I hope you've enjoyed our first episode. Have any feedback suggestions or want to be on the podcast? Write us at podcast@app-rosenbaum.aooiod2ghv-yjr3ojpx061m.p.temp-site.link. If you want show notes or resources about mental health, you can find it at yourtherapychat.com Looking for memes follow us on Instagram, Twitter or Facebook at @yourtherapymemes. Until next time listener.
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Irvin David Yalom is an American existential psychiatrist who is emeritus professor of psychiatry at Stanford University, as well as author of both fiction and nonfiction.
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